User talk:GerardM/Presidents of South Africa

Page vs. List[Hlela umthombo]

To incorporate this page into the ZU WP, several points to consider:

Should not all your draft page names begin with "List of..."? Particularly in light of a page with the identical name...
- Suggested list page name: List of Presidents of the Republic of South Africa = Uhlu lwabaongameli baseRiphabhulikhi yaseNingizimu Afrika (en:zu per Google Translate; requires confirmation by speaker of isiZulu)
There exists a stub page Umongameli waseNingizimu Afrika (literally, [The] President of [the Republic of] South Africa), per ZU WP naming style
- Expanding the existing page might include sections: History / Role in Government / List of Presidents (link to "List of" page with Wikidata update feature)
Possible list parameter: political party (I presume you considered and rejected this...?)
Empty fields on the table indicate where content is lacking in Wikidata? - to add there, then manually initiate update to "List of..." page?
At what point in your list page creation is text (e.g. column headings) substituted in isiZulu?

As with "Suggested list page name" (directly above), I can produce a draft translation to ZU which then requires confirmation by a native speaker. Your remarks on these considerations would be helpful, and I'll watch for your guidance on how I might help support this process. -- Deborahjay (talk) 07:01, 2 uNhlangulana 2018 (UTC)[reply]

At Wikidata we do prefer lists like this one to be part of an article about the office. So no separate articles.
When the dates of office are included, it is easy enough to add a party HOWEVER, people tend to switch from party to party and consequently I am not a fan.
All the data is from Wikidata so when it gets updated there it becomes available in any Wikipedia that triggers daily updates for the ListeriaBot.
With lists in the main space, the people involved become findable through search.
These are lists of politicians, it is also possible to generate texts based on the Wikidata data. When this requested from zu.wikipedia I can see how this is done.

Thanks, GerardM (talk) 14:51, 2 uNhlangulana 2018 (UTC)[reply]

These are helpful clarifications; I now have a better picture of the process. I can see the value of adding ZU labels and descriptions on Wikidata items ASAP. Your last point remains unclear, re: possible to generate texts based on the Wikidata data - Would this perhaps provide content for infobox fields in a Template:Politician to be adapted for the ZU WP and used on bio pages to be created here after the lists? -- Deborahjay (talk) 19:34, 2 uNhlangulana 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Single page for topic, with list as section[Hlela umthombo]

N.B.: Further to the above remarks on page vs. list per topic:
Aside from considerations of the length of the list table due to the size of images, it would be possible to retain your working page name, provide a ZU name before its move to mainspace, and make the list a section on that page, topped by a lead paragraph and the other sections I suggested above (History, Role in Government, etc.). Have you seen examples in other WPs suitable for use here? -- Deborahjay (talk) 07:26, 2 uNhlangulana 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This has my preference. Thanks, GerardM (talk) 14:52, 2 uNhlangulana 2018 (UTC)[reply]